Transcript of our part of the interview

 

Thank you Imram for your kind introduction.

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Allow me to tell you a little about my history and then Gloria can do the same. The Bible from cover to cover is all about the Father providing a bride (us) for His son. That is why God created us in His Image. He wanted a bride that was compatible with Him, one who is honest, trustworthy and in a sense compatible and equal to Him. Ephesians 4:13 promises that if one takes it literal. It’s a promise to be fulfilled on this earth before the resurrection. The Father will not accept anything that is less than perfect. The trouble is that no pastors I have met believe that. They all think that perfection is reserved for heaven.

 

Let’s ask ourselves a question. Why should Christ return for a bride that is spotted with sin, and shades of dirt all over?  He is coming back for a glorious bride shining with the Father’s glory. Rev 12:1 is a description of her. It’s all symbolic language. That is why my foundational book is so important, “End Times: According to Scripture”. The pdfs are remarkably cheap for what you get.

 

So many scholars get it wrong. They either say its Mary or Israel. What is she standing on? The blood of Jesus. The Moon is Bible code for the face of Jesus, reflecting the Father’s (the Sun) light and pock-marked with craters. Isaiah describes Jesus as not even looking human after he was scourged around his back and face. The Roman lash had sharp fragments of bones that tore out flesh. The twelve stars on her head are symbolic for power and the authority of the Holy Spirit. Twelve stands for authority (12 tribes, 12 apostles). The stars Jesus interpreted in Revelation 1 Himself. They are the church. Please read my book and purchase it before the darkness that is prophesied on my website hits the world globally by the end of November. Make sure that you have several camp power batteries for charging your phones. You can absorb them during the months of an equivalent  ‘Nuclear Winter”. If you live in a country property you will already have a generator for electricity.

 

All my books are interlinked by intent. They gradually build up a picture of the bride of Christ. Although Revelation is about disasters, it starts of with repentance. Does it not? As each Seal opens what is God looking for? Repentance. Read it. For people that are caught unprepared in places like Chicago they will have 30 hours warning to pray and make good with God. Either they will die as Christians and not go to hell or God, who made the universe can create a special angelic bubble of protection. Believe it or not angels minister to me. The Lord has all foreknowledge. Look it up on the internet. Your life’s plan was written in a book before we were born. Our job is to choose to obey what God puts before us.

 

How have I had angelic encounters? I have had many.  Only a week ago I met two angels. I only worked out later that they were angels. Gloria and I are without a dime. I collect 10 cent cans and bottles to make do. Out of the dark came a very pleasant man with brown skin and handed me $50. Two nights later a car drove by me and stopped in the dark. After giving me a fresh pizza his car disappeared. Gloria saw what happened from a distance in the Kmart car park. The car park was almost empty. The white car floated over the heavily vegetated nature strip and drove towards me.

 

If you pray and fast, the same can happen to you. I saw historic photos on YouTube where a Pacific island priest in the 1920’s confronted a giant tsunami with his flock behind him. He held up the eucharist towards the towering wave, the only precious thing he knew of. By the time the wave hit the shore it just lapped at their feet. All the neighbouring islands were wiped out. This is what God can do. Too many people have belittled His power and betrayed the Word of God which is Christ.

 

Where did I start off on this track with my books? Pastor Offiler, of Bethel Temple in Seattle fasted and prayed seven days of the week after the Azusa Street Pentecostal awakening which was started off by a black man, William Seymour. Miracles followed. Offiler was more interested in revelations in the Word of God. In the 1940’s God revealed to him the Weeks of  Redemption and Creation, as well as the 70-day prophecy from the book of Daniel.

 

The team sent a man called Ray Jackson and his wife Ruth to evangelise Asia. They were given steamship tickets to Japan. That’s all. He was an apostle  and he knew it. Ray told me that in Japan he would arrive at a railway station and wonder what the next leg of the journey would be. Someone turned up within 20 minutes, gave him another ticket and some cash. I don’t know what he achieved in Japan, but he told me what he did in Indonesia. Every hospital he visited was cleared of patients before he left.

 

To cut a long story short, Ray came to Melbourne, Australia when Japan invaded the islands. When I was born again in 1976,  I was attracted to his church by the miracles I saw there. 1976 was the year when dramatic miracles seemed to fade out globally. Ray took me under his wing and became my mentor for 10 years or so. In 2020 another apostle, Hal Oxley in Melbourne, anointed me to search out the bride of Christ in the Bible in greater detail. Why do I know that he was an apostle? He trained 300 pastors in his Bible school, established 20 assemblies and a Christian Ministers International Fellowship that had 2000-3000 pastors as members.

 

Hal was 103 years old when he anointed me in his office at home while Jill, his 30-year-old younger wife, entertained my former wife, Czech born Milena, with nostalgic movies. As additional interest, Hal was the Australian liaison officer stationed in the Pacific Headquarters of General Douglas MacArthur during WWII.

 

In case you might have picked it up from my other books I had a German mother and Hungarian father and was 5 years old when the war ended in Germany. We lived at my grnadfather’s Lutheran manse in Germany. God saved my life many, many times both as a baby and as an adult. It’s all in my /our books.

I really admire my wife. She is so devoted to God and brought up her children and grandchildren in a way not seen in PNG or even in Australia, at least rarely. Even the three-year-old knows the Scriptures and sings with gusto. Gloria spends hours on video calls to them. I love it. She loves my daughter’s and son’s family in the same way but as adults, of course. I call them daughter and son, they respectfully call me Pappa. This annoyed me greatly at first. I had to call an Australian pastor, only a few years older than me, ‘Papa’, because he was married to Gloria’s older sister. I have finally gotten over that.

 

 Now let’s turn to hear Gloria speaking, my recent brown wife from Papua New Guinea, our northern neighbour.

 

I am from the Sepik River area in north-west Papua New Guinea. We were a poor tribal village practising what tribes do. We ate fish and any wildlife my father could kill.  A young man named Casper took an interest in me and wanted me to go to Bible school with him. I resisted for 5 years. Casper was a black man with a white man’s heart. That meant that he wouldn’t beat me up to obey and would not treat me as a second-hand bit of furniture in the house, wondering when the next blow would to knock my teeth out.

 

Charles interrupts

 

 I can vouch for that. A missionary friend of mine, David Odd, told me this, “ I was ministering to the male converts I had won to Christ. There were about 50 of them there. It was our usual Bible school session. The topic was ‘Never lay a hand on a woman’. About five minutes into my talk and reading the Scriptures a rumbling murmur arose amongst them. I stopped and asked, ‘Have I said anything wrong?’ But Sir, how will our wives obey us if we don’t beat them up first?’ “

 

Gloria continues

 

I had 8 siblings of whom I loved. I married Casper when I was just eighteen.  He wanted me to go to Bible School with him, but I remained in a teaching job. Five years later in 1991 we attended the AOG Bible College for three years. We graduated as ordained ministers. They appointed us to become the Senior Pastors of the AOG in the capital city, Port Moresby.

 

Casper was the kindest soft-hearted man I have ever come across. More about us later. I miss him terribly but have also come to have a love for my husband of two years. Charles is 87. I am 62. His health has improved greatly under my care and because of all our prayers.

 

I was attracted to Charles particularly when he discovered that he was Jewish on his Hungarian side. Papua New Guinea has a special relationship with Israel. Israel recognizes PNG as Benjamin, one of the ten lost tribes. Israel granted our small Pacific nation a free embassy in Jerusalem. PNG, though huge in area and in wealth, the wealth is, unfortunately, not passed on to the common people.  The politicians enrich themselves.

When my husband died about 20 years ago, I suffered immensely. PNG has no retirement scheme for pastors and their families. To make way for the new Senior Pastor I was to be thrown out with my children, with no income or housing. I flatly refused.

 

My refusal was a great embarrassment to the male pastors. It enraged them. They had never experienced fierce opposition from a woman. We stayed in the manse  for 5 years and lived as absolute paupers. What they did to us is almost unbelievable to a westerner. It’s all recorded in our book “Merging Jew and Gentile for Perfection”.

 

My husband was killed by his cousin out of jealousy because of our success. He  used witchcraft which is not uncommon within even the PNG Christian community. Nobody hugs each other for fear lest they remove a strand hair off someone’s clothing and use it to cast spells. We do not accept food from anyone except from close family for the same reason. Charles struggled with that for two years to come to terms with the culture I am engrossed with. I  am slowly letting go since living in this beautiful country of Australia. We call our country town of Innisfail, our Goshen.

 

At first when we parked outside the huge hardware store and I saw the word Innisfail. I had a shock. Why did come here to fail? Charles looked up the history of the town. Innisfail is an Australian rendering of the Irish meaning ‘Isle of destiny’. That was better. My hopes built up again.

 

As you will have gathered by now, the book is not only about Jews and Gentiles. The Lord taught me to take Genesis 1:26-28 literally. Through that I was eventually given a high paying job through the German Bank to train young people. I commanded the government to give me a job.

 

I prayed for God to give me some money.  A lady who was just about to put two notes (Kinas) into the tithe box decided to give it to me instead. I talked gently to the two Kinas, “Bring more of your kind to me”. The German-funded job came soon after that. As a villager I was earning the same weekly pay as an university academic. That gave me the opportunity to spend several weeks in Israel with my children to plant three olive trees near Jerusalem. For some reason, which neither of us can properly explain, PNG people are drawn to Israel. They will spend a fortune to visit there.

 

CHARLES: Tell them how you met me.

 

We met on the internet through a mutual friend who had migrated to Australia. She told me that Charles was old, very sick and needed a nurse. I was a devoted grandmother caring for my son’s and daughter’s children. On this particular day, Emmanuel told me that I have been looking after their children long enough and that I should go to Australia for a better life. They might follow, he said. When I got home there was an email from Charles, “Will you marry me?”

 

I arrived in Cairns airport dressed up like Isaac’s wife, Rebekkah, in the book of Genesis. Charles had been waiting in the terminal for a long time. I was the last passenger to come out. He was bewildered. What happened to me? Did I miss the plane? When I came out, he was still bewildered looking past me. I had a veil on. I finally approached him, “Are you Charles?”. He couldn’t believe it. I lifted my veil. “Are you Gloria?”

 

 Afterwards we sensed that this act of mine was a prophetic declaration of Jew and Gentile coming together. The Lord is not taking two brides; One from the Messianic Jews and one from the Gentiles. Hence our book.

 

Charles has a sense of humour. When I had to return briefly to PNG because of visa regulations he played a trick on me. He dressed himself up as an oil rich Sheik. He explained, that because Cairns is off the main travel route, Arabs never come there. Everybody at the airport bowed and greeted him. The lady at the kiosk even brought him a large free glass of iced water, which never happens in Australia. Charles was pleased at the respect given to international visitors.

 

CHARLES.

 

 I became aware of her fear of witchcraft. As a typical western Christian, I had been exposed to possessed people and invisible demons, the fallen angels. I often thought how superstitious she was. The Lord proved me wrong. You will have to read our joint book for that. Gloria, or rather my darling, because it’s rude to use someone’s name in PNG, “Tell them about the Chuppah”.

 

GLORIA.

 

We were married in a Baptist church. The pastor is so kind. Unfortunately, he is a one-band man as Charles says. He does everything, even helping to wash up dishes at the wedding breakfast. We were there for a year but decided to change and attend a charismatic congregation. We are friends but he could never understand why Baptist doctrine so limits the Word of God. As Jesus said, “Because of your traditions, you make the word of God of no effect.”

 

However, he graciously allowed us to build a chuppah ont the platform, as Jews would do in a synagogue. The Jews hold a chuppah, a cubic structure, with great reverence at weddings and consider that it emanates a holy presence. They don’t know why. Charles why don’t you explain?

 

CHARLES.

 

As I explained at the wedding supper, the chuppah is a holy structure but no Jew knows why they consider it holy. As one studies the progression of temples, from the Tabernacle of Moses to the New Jerusalem in the New Heavens and Earth, it becomes clear that a cubic structure symbolically signifies the very presence of God. The Most Holy Place is always cubic.  Much is symbolic throughout the Bible as explained in my foundational book on end times. As far as I know, Churches have stopped teaching what faithful churches taught 50-60 years ago. Churches have devolved to the baby stage. The apostle Paul would have been greatly distraught by what the church does and does not do today.

 

One must go back to the Old Testament and line it up with the New Testament to find out the symbolism of the chuppah. The Most Holy Place containing the Ark, from where God spoke is always cubic. The same is true in the book of Revelation. You really need to wade through my book. It’s easy to read, illustrated with coloured diagrams, which is why all my books average 4.5 stars on Amazon. I really recommend a hard copy of this A4 version. It’s great on the coffee table for visitors to browse through.  

 

A cube, 1 x 1 x 1, designates geometric perfection, and illustrates the imprint of the divine. Cut a cubic carton along certain seams. Unfold it laying it out flat. What do you get?  A cross.

 

Let’s talk about the kingdom of God.  Firstly, Jesus said to the woman of Samaria at the well that salvation is of the Jews. The Jews are the root stocks onto which the Gentiles were grafted. Therefore, the bride of Christ shall primarily have her foundation laid upon Messianic Jews. Anyone who looks up worship music, the most stunning ones are currently coming from Israel. Many of their songs are about their brothers returning home and about the bride of Christ. It’s very rare to hear anything about the bride of Christ from Gentile churches around the world. The Jews are obsessed with the bride and the triumphant return of the Lord Jesus, Yeshua. Why is that?

 

Gentile Christianity teaches and erroneously assumes that the church is the bride of Christ. What a huge mistake. All the Gentile pastors will have to repent on that one at the least. The Old testament, particularly the Song of Solomon, illustrates very clearly that the bride will consist of only a small number of select people – she is unnoticed.

 

Let’s look at the parables of Jesus on the kingdom the most important of which is about the kingdom likened to a fishing net. He said, many are caught in it, but when the fisherman brings it on shore he casts out all the bad fish and only keeps the good ones. So, heaps of people who go to church with an attitude of having fun at worship without getting involved in the Word are going to be excluded because they have no relationship with the Lord.  Parables and the Old Testament Temples illustrate that there are three prominent groups at the end. . In the parable of the Sower and the Seeds, and in the ten talents, it clearly shows that those who have made good use of the talents they were entrusted with were allowed not only to keep the talents, but also to be given more from those who didn’t bother to make a profit. There are the 30%ers, the 60 and the 100%ers. The Old Testament confirms this in the types and shadows, particularly in the construction of the temples. There were always three compartments – the Outer court of blood sacrifices, the Holy Place of illumination with the seven-branched candlestick and the Most Holy Place where the Ark was inhabited by the Lord, as long as Israel remained faithful to the Lord as a bride ought to be faithful to her husband.

 

The Outer Court clearly speaks of those people, who remain in that state all their lives, who have accepted the blood of Christ for salvation but refused to grow further in Christ (the lukewarm, the 30%ers). They will get into heaven by the skin of their teeth – no rewards at all.

 

The 60%ers pass the test but the Lord is only interested in those who make it to 100%. These are those who have sacrificed everything in life to gain Christ by their constant devotion and study of the Word of God in prayers (and fastings on occasions). These are the ones the Lord will claim for Himself as His ‘bride’.

 

Where are you located in the scheme of things?

 

 

 

Questions answered.

 

1. Your book brings together Jewish and Gentile perspectives together. What do you think Christians from different backgrounds can learn from one another through this message?

 

It’s not about Christians learning from one another. It’s for everyone who claims to be a  Christian, to have a good look at what I have written and begin to read the word of God seriously, both the old and New Testaments. In some of my Youtube videos I proposed a bicycle parable.

 

Consider the Bible as a bicycle. Take either wheel off and it becomes powerless. One will never reach the true interpretation. The New Testament is the old revealed and visa-versa. Has any reader noticed, that apart from quoting the verse here and there, no church is teaching the OT any more. Oh, but I know the 10 commandments you say. I’ll respond with, “Alright then. What was the commandment for a woman suspected of adultery by her husband. What did she have to do?”

 

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2. The wedding under a Chuppah is an interesting part of your story. What tradition does this represent, and why was it important to your wedding

 

Already answered.

 

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3.You write about humanities relationship to nature. What simple changes would you encourage people to make in their daily life to. Have a greater respect for the creation.

 

My first response is what I suggested in the teaching session contained in this book. When you follow a car in front how do you react when you see them throwing a box of KFC out the window? When you see a near-roadside-kill do you stop the car and call the Wildlife Department? Do you take endless showers without giving thought about how much chemical they had to add to the water to make it potable? Do you leave your car idling endlessly on a hot day while doing something, so it is cool when you decide to drive away?

 

Beaches are washing up thongs in their millions. There are dead water channels in the oceans miles long and miles wide filled with floating debris, especially with syringes and plastic goods. 

 

When you do a short trip to the shops do you walk or hop in the car because that’s what you do automatically? Are you a person who gets affronted because someone in your family dumps plastic wrappers into the recycling bin? Use your imagination.

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4. How did you decide which scriptures and testimonies to include in your book, especially when some of the ideas challenge the readers to what they already believe?

 

I am only interested in speaking and promoting what lines up with Scripture. The Lord saved me as a baby in Hungary from being deliberately murdered by a Polish nun, from disease and from aircraft strikes in Germany in 1944.  I can add that that has been my life’s experience. I was born-again at the age of 36 in 1976. In hindsight,  I can see that the Lord has been protecting my life ever since I was born. My / our books cover my/our  life’s experiences with visions and dreams as well. 

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Just recently an angel brought me $50 when I was in a car park at night, and two days  later a different angel gave me a steaming hot pizza in a Dominos cover. It's only afterwards that I realised they were angels. Their provision at the time was sorely needed. However, I was left stunned by their appearance. I thought they were islanders from Tonga.  Vanuatues are common in Innisfail. I can distinguish them easily. What bothered me is that they had perfect skins without blemishes. 

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Gloria witnesses the arrival of the second angel by car.  Once again the carpark was almost empty at round about the same time.

 

For instance,  I first heard the Lord’s voice in 1963. I was doing an experiment in the ‘Danger Laboratory’ working with the most aggressive element in the world; Fluorine (F).

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Our lab was in a tower above the roof of the chemistry building in case we blew up an entire floor. Moments before  the fierce explosion, I heard a strong inner voice saying, “Put your safety glasses on”. I would have gruesomely died with fluorine slowly eating through my brain. There was no euthanasia in those days. Since then, I have learnt to freely converse with the Lord who sometimes dictates what I should be writing. See examples of that in my free downloadable book on my/our website www.creation6000.com .

 

 

5. Your book presents marriage as a deeper spiritual relationship. What do you think makes a marriage a strong example despite differences?

 

The Bible uses marriage as an example of the relationship between Christ and the bride. Marriage is holy and blessed by the Lord to bring forth holy seed. The home is the best place to teach children moral values.

 

Woke school boards do the opposite. I couldn’t believe it when Ted Cruz, Republican Senator, questioned a democratic politician at a Senate Committee Hearing. He asked her whether a male can give birth. She just starred for minutes at the ceiling. She was picked because she was a practising physician. Alright, let me rephrase the question Ted said. Can a man give birth to a child? She quickly gave the affirmative. In frustration at the insanity of it all, Ted moved to the next question. Her definition of a man was to include transgender women.

 

I love this part. Women in sport, championed by the most famous US soccer star, is that women are as good as men and she insist on more money for playing international soccer.  She challenged that the US national women’s team would beat any male team. Experiments all around the world showed that women’s national teams can be beaten by good humoured male teams beyond their prime of life or by an under 15 male team, with scores ranging from 8-0 to 22-0. Some transgender people just don’t get it. God designed men and women’s bodies differently for different reasons. He made them in His own image. In God’s eyes they are of equal worth.

 

I am a physicist, chemist and genetic engineer. I have sometimes attended graduation ceremonies at the university. The best speech I ever heard by a visiting industrialist to the graduates one year was this. “ You are now qualified and have equal opportunities. But not many will succeed as equally as some of you had hoped for. Success depends on taking the hard knocks in life, getting up and trying again.”

 

Remember that this was before the days of computers. He said, “If you apply for a job with a big company don’t send a handwritten letter. The first thing the employer will do is to throw them into the bin without even reading it. They expect a neat, typed letter without white ink corrections before they even read it. Your care in writing the letter reveals the person you are.”

 

If some of the greatest inventors in the world like Marconi, Edison, Bell, Madam Curie, Einstein who failed his maths at school, and many others had not persevered they would have ended up as nobodies.

 

God looks at us the same way. Do we just say a quickie prayer at breakfast and then run off to work. Or do we put aside a quite time after waking up praying and blessing God for the day that’s ahead? And above all, seeking the Holy Spirit’s guidance. You will be surprised how our lives will change, once  you obey the Bible!

 

 

6. For readers who are interested in studying the Bible more deeply after reading your book, which part of Scripture should they begin with, and why?

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An excellent question. Please start with the gospel of John. Why? John is the gospel which sheds light on Jesus being divine, the One who created the world. He was the Word that that Father used to create.

 

Matthew tells about His kingship. Mark about His servant’s heart attitude - like an ox moving slowly ahead under heavy burdens.

 

Luke emphasises His frail humanity. He would get frustrated, hungry, tired etc. He was the Son of man.

 

Israel marched out of Egypt in strict order with the tribe of Judah leading. It wasn’t a rabble as most films such as the Ten Commandments show. Mind you, that film together with Ben Hur, paved the way for me to believe. 

 

The 12 tribes camped around the Tabernacle of Moses in the shape of the cross, the arms of the cross being measured by the number of men of military age in the four groups around the tabernacle, three tribes per group. They marched out with Judah leading with the banner of a lion (kingship). Then they were followed by three other groups under the banner of an Ox (Mark), the face of a man (Luke) and the face of an Eagle (John because, as God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit can see everything, the hidden things of the heart).

 

We must bear in mind that Jesus had no power bin Himself. He prayed for ages long before people got up for breakfast. He communed with the Father and the Holy Spirit. He knew what each day held for Him. The wonderful thing is that the apostle Paul said that we are temples of the Holy Spirit. We can do the same as Jesus for 20 minutes and have our day pre-planned for us without us knowing the details. We might have an idea. Praying in tongues allows the Holy Spirit to plead with the Father concerning something we don’t know about. For example, He might warn us that something will come up but not to trust that person. Gloria and I have had dreams or visions about things before they happened. A lot of that type of thing is in my/our books.

 

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7.Looking back at the journey of writing this book together, is anything either of you would now explain differently or wish readers to pay more close attention to?

 

We wrote according to God’s will and what is revealed in the Bible. Note we never cited anybody. Note the special Christian articles on my website. Twice, the Holy spirit had to arrest my thoughts before I made huge public blunders that would have killed my reputation and our books. I make the claim that nobody, but nobody, ever considered those topics before. Search the internet and you won’t find a parallel.